READ ALL OF 9TH WONDER’S TWEETS ABOUT BRUNO MARS & CULTURAL APPROPRIATION
Well, it turns out that Twitter is still good for something. Yesterday, super-producer, record executive, college professor (Duke and N.C. Central), Harvard University Fellow, and recently named a founding member of the Kennedy Center Hip Hop Culture Council – also my favorite producer – 9th Wonder weighed in heavy on cultural appropriation and it relates to the recent Bruno Mars debate that was ignited by The Grapevine.
9th breaks down his argument that cultural appropriation goes way beyond color and into nuance that is not normally built for Twitter such as the background of the artist, popularity of their music, their exposure and influences.
What stands out to me is that the Bruno Mars debate centers around other people’s personal definition of popularity and validation. And the current mainstream system that people are placing their value in, Grammy Awards and things of that nature. The debate is centered on Bruno Mars because he is wildly successful and he is lifted up by a lot of people, not from the black culture but wants to hear “black sounds” from non-black people (that is the best way I can describe it). That seems to rub those that dislike Bruno Mars the wrong way. However, there are plenty of artists, who are not black, that have done hip-hop, R&B, soul, jazz, and other genres of music that are never even in the cultural appropriation debate because their name was never thrust into pop culture in a way such and Bruno Mars, or Eminem, or even Macklemore. 9th names Bobby Caldwell, Jon B, and MC Search in his twitter case.
9th breaks down his thoughts on Twitter. Check them out and let me know what you think. I’ve also posted the Grapevine debate, which I think is excellent. It’s a must-watch.
Let me know your thoughts in the comments. #WESEEIT
So many loopholes in this Bruno Mars situation.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
SO MANY.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
I’ve made boom-beats..forever…there’s still a large part of the population of people saying “no one wants to hear old school 90s sounding hip-hop…”. I continue to stay on my path, knowing that there is generation of people that needs to be exposed to the feeling…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Still it’s “the 90s are over….”. Dot made a black ass album entitled….”To Pimp A Butterfly”…and it was “nobody wants to hear all that black shit; and yes…you have to look outside of your bubble to see exactly what lots of folk are saying..before you say “well I DID”..
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
SHIT. Black Panther was a comic book, a series on BET..etc…before half of y’all Now wanna pack all of your shit, cross your arms, and head to Wakanda all of Of a sudden.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
For some of y’all…It’s NOT the sound…it’s NOT the feeling…it’s the popularity of the situation you are concerned with.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
We live in a time now…that we don’t have the Arsenio Halls, the Rap City’s, the Video Souls, The Video Vibrations, The Ebony’s, the JET magazines, The Yo MTV Raps to establish the epicenter of what WE as black musicians and black culture deem to be #1
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
We are now fighting for space in a mainstream culture, when during that time…we were mainstream all along. We were being studied, and…we were also influencing…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Influence…..INFLUENCE….for all the kids that grew up with me in the era of post segregation, for every 40 year old White, Puerto Rican, Asian, and any other ethnicity you can think of…to know about all the same music from Das Efx, To New Edition, To Guns and Roses…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
So, if you were born in the 1970s and 1980s….dancing in your living room to New Editions NE HeartBreak or watching Janet’s Rhythm Nation 1814 videos as a kid….it’s called INFLUENCE, which has no racial barriers…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Even in the time of Soul II Soul and Sybil, Lisa Stansfield dropped “All Around The World….”, Jane Child dropped a jam….shit…3RD Bass Dropped the Cactus Album (Serch had the first white Flattop haircut I’d ever seen….)…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
So what do we want…in a culture that is Universal as math…how do we expect to for our culture now to be accept by mainstream (in which half of y’all don’t even recognize brilliance in artists UNTIL it’s slammed in your face by mass media..)..and NOT INFLUENCE the masses..
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Half of y’all don’t even appreciate high level black art until it is support by silent white benefactors…but that’s another class…we will save that for later….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Enter Bruno Mars…(half of y’all don’t even know his story, wasn’t in his house, know his childhood friends…)…nothing…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
The word is EXPOSURE…what someone was EXPOSED to….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
NOW! Do I agree with the sediment of mainstream only accepts “black” sounds such as “24 Karat Magic” from certain boxes….in some ways…MAYBE…but DONALD GLOVER made AWAKEN MY LOVE…which is 1970s PIMP BLACK…..which also made the album of the year category..
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
So is it Bruno Mars fault that…he was influenced by BabyFace, Teddy Riley, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis…around the same time from a hip-hop side I was influenced by DJ Premier, Pete Rock, and The Beatminerz? This is a Sociology study on influence and exposure….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
….not…”Oh Bruno wanna just copy us….”. How many of us black folk has seen people from different backgrounds growing up surrounded by black culture and being heavily influenced by it? How many “Jon B”’s was at your high school? How many Teena Marie’s was it in the 80s?
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Is there a “black” barometer? Who gets the pass? Who’s invited to the cookout? How many times we’ve been at a cookout and seen someone from another race and someone explained…”Nah…he/she cool as shit tho…”
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
What’s “cool as shit?”….normally it’s when that cool “whatever race they are”…either; Knocked somebody out, dunked on somebody at the park, can dance, can dress, has “swag”…or something we deem as cool…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
So…the most powerful cultural element in the world….black culture….some of y’all want it to be mainstreamed but not to influence….you want it to be RECOGNIZED and BLASTED for everyone to see, but not thinking about its casualties?
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
So…we have Vibranium and all of this wonderful technology and art…should we keep it in Wakanda? Or….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Again I say. STAY away from complainers. We got @BJTHECHICAGOKID, @inglewoodSiR, @AndersonPaak, @DanielCaesar….how about GO out and BUY/STREAM their music, popularize them and stop waiting for mainstream to tell you to like them, so you can’t say “well I didn’t know..”
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Peace to Bruno Mars, and word up to Bobby Caldwell, Hall and Oates, Michael McDonald, Teena Marie, Lisa Stansfield…some of y’all didn’t even know Bobby Caldwell was white until that night he was on the BET Awards…been singing it all your life…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Y’all make me sick.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
He makes jams. People say he’s stealing, but playing Bobby Caldwell “What You Won’t Do For Love” at their cookout, and playing all the Michael Jackson songs written by Rod Temperton. 😑. https://t.co/ERGkx3it10
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Bruh. Yes. https://t.co/a0pD6dNVKC
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
….if the brother @Usher would have made this album, our OWN people would have said….”why you making old 90s sounding stuff….you passed that..”. Shit… @chrisbrown made “Fine China”…and a lot of OUR OWN didn’t rock with it because we are infatuated with being YOUNG… https://t.co/a0pD6dNVKC
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
You mad at the system them be mad at the system….a Puerto-Rican/Filipino kid? Nah. As much as brothers like @djbabuforeal has done for the culture??? …..as much as Latinos has done for the culture…especially in the early 1970s in the Bronx? Nah. Nope. Nope. Nope.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
So one of the greatest DJs in hip-hop history…. @djbabuforeal….a Filipino American…..is a cultural appropriator….what about the @beastieboys….or…how about the executive producer of ILLMATIC, Faith Newman? Pino Palladino? Bob Power? Bob James? David Axelrod?
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Know the history of music you love, and the people that helped make it. ALL of the people that helped make it..ALL OF THEM, colors, backgrounds…the musicians, engineers…everyone.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
“that fight”? This is a fight of boxes. It’s bigger than Nino Brown. https://t.co/0uLEHYhhCf
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
They need to come sit in the class……and get some of this, O.G… https://t.co/eTx1ScIdPA
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
People don’t truly understand a lot of things….it all depends on what you deem helping them to understand….it’s called purpose. I know my purpose. https://t.co/GZ7FP8VJCA
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
YES. We have a few more. We need our own infrastructure back. https://t.co/mawEJkgb8M
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
I didn’t say you did my man, but the question was….”why fight the fight…”…the answer is…”it’s my purpose to fight the fight….” https://t.co/F11hqUdBAE
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Just look at the genesis of the term R&B. To understand that was coined by Jerry Wexler and then to examine his legacy. Salute to you @9thwonder for the critical context you’re providing. https://t.co/P8DL1igKR6
— Ivan Orr (@iorr03) March 12, 2018
B
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ALL THINGS are available to be found….on the World Wide Web….. https://t.co/wo0RZSv0iO
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Yup…henceforth me saying something about “understanding how he grew UP” https://t.co/bmHRxVTPbt
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Listen to Cool Uncle (Bobby Caldwell & Jack Splash) – Game Over (feat. Mayer Hawthorne) by EMPIRE #np on #SoundCloud https://t.co/p7s473pOpY
— HK825 (@hattrick825) January 26, 2018
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
They don’t. The re-imagination Of “Apache” by the Incredible Bongo Band, is a perfect display of the exact melding principals you speak of. The 1950’s version of Apache is worlds apart from the version that contains all of the elements across the diaspora. https://t.co/7Q1rp9U1xc
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
@9thwonder Always luved your work & projects. Laila’s Wisdom helped get me thru 2017!! Thnx 4 the support & bringin the classroom 2 social media 2day.
— Jack Splash (@SirJackSplash) March 13, 2018
.@bobbycaldwell you sir, are responsible for my favorite song of all time. Thank you.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) March 12, 2018
Much appreciated. All the best to you. -Bobby
— Bobby Caldwell (@bobbycaldwell) March 12, 2018
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